I really like the way you have opened up this discussion. And I
agree that the discussion should go on in many places. Two thoughts
though: 1) people are less likely to visit a hypermail archive to read
and post than they are to respond to e-mail, especially those without ppp
or slip connections, unless there is some direct link to a listserv or
calls for participation go out regularly for an extended period to remind
folks to come again; and 2) I'd really like to expand the membership of
this list to address exactly the kinds of issues you raised. I'd like to
get more publishers involved especially. The more folks from the industry
in on this conversation, the more impact excitement this discussion would
generate.
With these points in mind, would it make sense to set up a
hypernews forum from the Copyright Website
(http://www.pitt.edu/hypertch/copyright.html) that I put up for the CCCC
conference on this set of issues? This would provide a rich context for
the discussion itself and link to Webrights naturally. And, would it make
sense to announce this conversation widely, and invite anyone with
contacts in the publishing industry to encourage them to join in.
What does everyone think?
Cheers,
jrg
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On Tue, 23 Jul 1996 sophist@utarlg.uta.edu wrote:
>
> jrg, i took michael's statement about copyright as a global one about
> the profession. and yet, i am beginning to wonder about some things being
> said. about the strategies being used, which seem to suggest, subtly,
> that there are other motives. but ... may be my suspicious (Sicilian)
> nature .)>=
>
> yes, please send a copy of the artice, as you did last time; i would like
> ot read it.
>
> as you will have noted, i sent in a follow up post to webrights. i suspect
> (there i go again!) that people will be very guarded in their responses.
> it is difficult for most people to know, or trust, what they might be able
> to say in a public forum. especially about the issue at hand! i just want
> to get them out there talking/posting and then i can start working/playing
> with 'em; and they on me; and we on us. .)>=
>
> v
>
> On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Jeffrey R Galin wrote:
>
> > Victor,
> > I'm glad Michael has a sense of the kind of work you have been
> > doing with A&B. Thanks for taking the time to lay it out for him. I knew
> > from the start that NCTE would not go the road that A&B or even Univ of
> > MIchigan Press have begun. BTW, part of the reason why NCTE is allowing
> > two articles out of our book to be on the Web is for advertizing. But
> > also, we will have a few articles that do not appear in the book itself.
> > I really want this book to be multi-textual.
> >
> > I found Michael's last note to the webrights list defensive in
> > ways I had not expected. His accusations about authors who know little
> > about copyright are unfortunately rather inaccurate for the authors on
> > this list. I feel like I know more about copyright than most of my
> > colleagues who are not involved in digital negotiations.
> >
> > I'm actually quite interested in the different policies that
> > publishers are developing. Each has been partly shaped by the early
> > projects that each has taken on. Joan and I are currently drafting an
> > article out of the CCCC presentation we gave on this stuff. I'm getting
> > excited about it, just wish I had more time to devote to it right. We are
> > theorizing publisher-function and author/publisher function, drawing of
> > course on Foucault's author-function. The conversations that have been
> > going on on Webrights have been really useful. When we get a draft, would
> > you be willing to give it a look?
> >
> > Let me know what happens with your NCTE negotiations. Sounds like at
> > least there is hope now.
> >
> > cheers,
> > jrg
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > On Mon, 22 Jul 1996 sophist@utarlg.uta.edu wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Jeff, Mike G. and I have been posting privately about the message. He
> > > sent me a longggg post with much info and I responded in kind(ness) .)>=
> > > I talked some (but without particulars) about the negotiations and
> > > renegotiations I went through with A&B. I tried to put it in such a way,
> > > which was the way, that would be very productive for you and your
> > > co-author. I doubt that ncte will go the long distance that A&B went with
> > > me, but now at least your person can see what the competition can and
> > > does offer. So goes the difference between an organization's press and a
> > > big corporations's press. There both tight with money, but at least one
> > > can deal.
> > >
> > > If I recall correctly, you said that ncte agreed to putting out a couple
> > > of chapters. Right? I doubt that my publisher would agreed to my putting
> > > any of that material out there. It's what they see as less important (all
> > > the references, links, and updates) that they will allow. Interesting
> > > *turn* of events.
> > >
> > > By the way: I am in communication with the Editor of the article now. I
> > > wrote Joe a note and we will talk about this and try to work it out. But
> > > that's the only commitment at present, which is all that I wanted to
> > > start with. A chance to persuade .)>=
> > >
> > > Man, it's hot here!!!!
> > >
> > > V
> >