Darlene Sybert (c557506@SHOWME.MISSOURI.EDU)
Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:47:04 -0500

Eric Crump said:> >
> >Viewed from the right distance, belief and reason not only co-exist, they
> > begin to inhabit the same space, becoming almost indistinguishable.
> >
Steve Krause said
> Nope, and I think there are two reasons for this. First, it isn't possible
> to offer "counter-arguments" to religious texts. We can argue about (for


> You can't really do that with religions because different faiths (and that
> word choice should signal somethin') all presume with the assumption that
> they're right

And just because they think they are right, no one can argue
with them?
> The second is based on a pretty basic rhetorical principal advanced by our
> pal Chaim Perleman: before a rhetor can persuade an audience, the rhetor
> must begin with a persumption that the audience agrees with, and if the
> rhetor chooses to make an appeal that is not presumed by the audience, it
> won't work.

He said that is where you begin...with something you can
reasonably presume that your audience agrees with...
It's not where you end, though, or why speak?

Darlene Sybert
University of Missouri at Columbia (English)
A thing of beauty is a joy for ever:
It's loveliness increases; it will never
Pass into nothingness; but still will keep
A bower quiet for us, and a sleep
Full of sweet dreams, and health, and quiet breathing.
-John Keats "Endymion"