Begatice, again

Marcy Bauman (marcyb@UMD.UMICH.EDU)
Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:52:09 -0400

Well, folks, it's like this. I'd typed the following response to the
grading thread, only as I was hittin' the ol' send button, I saw the word
"begatice" where "negative" shoulda been . . . I thought that error was
egregious enough to warrant correction, so I sent my correction post.

Then, the original got returned to me by the mailer at Mizzou because I
had typed the address wrong. So I tried to go to my sent-mail and
forward the post to the right address . . . but our system crashed while
I was trying to do that. Thus, the "begatice" apology thing came
through, but not the original post.

I'm sending the original post now. But in the _meantime_, here's what
Mizzou told me, in part:

> 250-<> does not correspond to RSCS origin of
> MIZZOU1 SMTP2. 250
> You are a charlatan.

I ask you, is this any way for a computer program to talk to me???

---------- Forwarded message ----------
I got this post from another list, and in response to a question about
what constitutes "contact hours" in an online course. This person
basically proposes that we start thinking in terms of learning outcomes
rather than seat time when we define classes.

I think that answer provides a neat solution to the grade conundrum,
too. If courses were organized so that they didn't operate within a
specific time frame, we _could_ use learning outcomes as tools of
evaluation and assessment, without them having the begatice stigma
associated with grades.


Marcy Bauman
Writing Program
University of Michigan-Dearborn
4901 Evergreen Rd.
Dearborn, MI 48128

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:53:59 +0000
From: Suzanne Logan <>
To: Multiple recipients of list DEOS-L <DEOS-L@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Determination of Contact Hrs for DL courses -Reply

>>> Linda Chojnicki <> asked:

>>What do others do about determining the contact hours for online
DL course. Since our courses do not have an official "class meeting time"
and can be completed at the student's convenience, faculty and staff have
inquired as to how we determine if the contact hours are sufficient for the
credit amount.

My response:
Maybe this is the time we begin to introduce the idea of student
outcomes rather than seat time as being the indicator of student's
course completion. If we had agreed upon outcomes for courses,
students could receive credit for the course when they demonstrated
mastery of the outcomes (objectives). Some students need to spend
only a few weeks on a course; other students need months--the
important thing should be the "learning" that goes on no matter how
long it takes. and if the outcomes could be agreed upon across the
country, we would have some way of determining a student's level of
mastery when he/she moves from one institution to another--course
equivalency wouldn't be such a problem.

Dr. Suzanne G. Logan voice: 806/742-1519
Texas Tech University 806/742-2352
Box 42191 800/MY COURS
Lubbock, Texas 79409-2191 fax: 806/742-2318

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