From: Jude Edminster [jedmins1@tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 7:29 AM
To: cwonline@nwe.ufl.edu
Subject: Re: Systems Theory

Just a quick question, Martin.

I looked at the site you recommended very briefly, focusing in 
particular on the checklist provided to determine whether or not a system 
is autopoetic, and although I did like this particular checklist item:

"properties of the system to be explained are generated by relations of the 
components of the system and are not to be found among the properties of 
those components." (Maturana, 1978, p. 30),

the number of references in the 6-point checklist to requirements such as 
"unity", "discrete boundaries", "mechanistic", and an "observer" by whom 
everything observed is "said" (according to the site's home page), were 
somewhat unsettling, and surprisingly evocative of Cartesian thinking. The 
image of Earth held in the palm of a human hand which is clearly outside it 
(the observer?), was also quite startling.

Did I get the wrong impression?  What are the differences between a systems 
theory view of the world and the Cartesian view?  Are there any 
similarities?

Jude Edminster
University of South Florida
jedmins1@tampabay.rr.com 

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